A guy named “SittingOnTheFence” is hovering between belief and non-belief. He asks me some GREAT questions.
“The problem is that for every great argument that you make, there are 3 that can be made AGAINST the existence of God. There will really be no way to end this debate EVER. Well, maybe if God one day communicates with us in a non-symbolic way….”
“OK, so let’s hear those other arguments AGAINST the existence of God.”
And he wrote me back with a great set of questions.
Here are his questions – with a video response from me to each one:
SittingOnTheFence: First of all, I would like you to know a little bit about me. I’m not your typical furious guy who is apparently angry with the world, like some of those you argued against at Infidels.
I consider myself to be actually a calm guy, with a cool demeanor. Obviously, objectivity is rarely achieved when one speaks about oneself, but I’m trying my best to describe how I deal with debates.
Even though I’m very passionate, I rarely get mad or angry. Talking about these topics actually fuels my life and entertains me, so I would never try to engage into something that could spike my hormones for the worse.
Because of sites like yours and some others, I’m NOT an atheist. I don’t discard the existence of God, even though I’ll admit I incline towards his non-existence.
However, there are many things that just don’t fit for me.
I must admit that most of the arguments I am going to present here are simply off the top of my head (as I’m sure I could come up with many more later on).
I also admit that many of these arguments are of a philosophical nature, rather than a scientific one, since trying to explain the non-belief in God through science can be virtually impossible.
Since I haven’t had the time to surf through all of your site, I know these points could very possibly have been made before, but if you are kind, you could give some answers.
Anyway, here are some:
If God created DNA, and you believe in the classic view of design, then that ultimately and inevitably leads to the following question.
Who designed God?
I once read on a Christian booklet that if you watch a car, you would quickly come to the conclusion that the car didn’t make itself. It would seem absurd to think that the engine and all the complex things that a car is made of to make it start and run could possibly be arranged in such amazing order just by chance or “luck”.
That seems like a pretty fair argument, until they tell you that God was NOT designed. If a superintelligence made everything, was that Intelligence always there??
Would it be more reasonable to think that a vastly more complex being like God was “always there”, but not a car?
This leads to an infinite regress of causes. This in turn, implies that it is not that absurd to say that DNA “made itself” from evolution. This also perpetuates the enigma of the “how”.
Atheists say the Big Bang came out of a singularity, but can not explain why energy, matter and time had to “exist” in the first place. They cannot answer where those forces came from, or why those forces always existed at one single point.
It is just as perplexing to think why God was always there. Nothing had to be nowhere at no time in the first place. This is the “crazy inducing” enigma that NOBODY can even attempt to solve.
I explore this concept further at Incompleteness.
Also see http://evo2.org/faq
One of the atheists told you something that may be valid. He said that since you requested one example of a naturally ocurring code, he told you it was DNA.
Since DNA is a code, and it is naturally ocurring, a guy can revert your argument and say that DNA is a prime example of a naturally occurring code, and the ONLY one at that.
You said that snowflakes, tornadoes and hurricanes are examples of PATTERNS.
Why an omnipotent being like God would make forces that cause disastrous patterns like hurricanes and tornadoes?? Why earthquakes??
I can understand the old argument that disease , death and most of the world problems occur because of men’s own fault, but NOT this. Why make things that only serve to destroy things?
Also see: Evil and Suffering
I am assuming that Christianity must be based on a holy book to know the purposes of God. That Holy Book is the Bible.
If God gave us the Bible to be the prime example of his testimony, why would he make it so difficult to understand?? The Bible is often written in riddles.
This has lead to a lot of interpretations, which in turn have caused the spreading of NUMEROUS protestant religions.
Even if you tell me that the Bible is CLEAR and straightforward “when you read it with faith”, you know in your heart it isn’t for most of the people.
Why would God deliver his message through such a dense work?
Most people don’t like to read that much, except for the stuff they like. Why would he use that method and not speak himself loud and clear so everyone can hear him?
You may say that those who don’t like to read can always go to Church, or that most likely somebody has knocked the door of that person to offer speeches about God.
What about all of the people in the world that haven’t received the Lord’s message yet?? Are they guilty for not having heard of God?
Even when missionaries go to third world countries and marginated places to spread the Word, there are simply too many people who are NOT reached. How does God communicate with those people?
What can you tell me about all the different religions in the world.
Which one is right?
What right do I have to say that Buddhism is wrong?
If you were born in India, you would most likely practice Hinduism. What would you be guilty of?
If there is only ONE GOD, then I suppose he would firmly make clear which is the right path.
Considering that there are so many religions, and other holy books, how could I possibly know the purposes and the wishes of that God?
Also see: http://evo2.org/faq/#christian
Now, starting from the premise that the Bible is literal, clear and easy to read, let’s take a look.
The Bible says God really planned men to be perfect, so they could live in peace and love.
If he really wanted that, why did he put the “forbidden fruit” on that tree?? Many Christians put the blame on Satan disguised as a snake, because of the persuasion.
But the truth is, if no forbidden fruit was ever put on that tree, men would not have sinned.
What possible explanation could be made for that? That’s like saying, I want you to be my friend, but at the very start of that friendship, I deliberatly put obstacles to that friendship.
The Bible tells stories about Sea Separations, miracles, ardent bushes, plagues, dreams that tell the future, big floods and other extraordinary phenomena.
Why does nothing of that happens today? Why did all of that extravaganza (Mana, rain of sulfur and fire, etc.). only happened at that time and not even a hint of that now?
That’s it for now….I would like to read your answers.
Thanks, Mr. SittingOnTheFence. Excellent questions.